It is time for our “Aftermath” contest! Every season we share our uproars, cries of affection, emotional carriages and opinions on the acts from The Eurovision Song Contest! So let’s start voting on it again and unite ourselves through music in this year’s following segment of our ET Extravaganza statistical deliciousness!
This is the second part of our pre charts here on the ET forum and the first one: The Premath was won by Spain and you can check out the full results here: ET Premath 2023.
The Fridas and the ETSC reveals that the ET community is diverse, mainstream and opinionated when it comes to music and we always seem to have a slight, if not a big disagreement with the jury result each year. So why not spin that around and show our own distinctive views.
In the Aftermath we share our top 10 songs from Eurovision 2023 (vote 1), but the twist is that you’re gonna give me your top 10 acts from only the Grand Finale as well (vote 2)! This is so I can change the jury vote into our combined points from the Aftermath and see how we would have fared as the professionals.
This segment is always held after the live shows as it’s intended to be a ranking of the songs and the performances in the contest! This is of course just a moral guideline and in the end it’s your personal opinion that counts!
EVERYONE CAN PARTICIPATE! You can be an ET veteran or an ET newbie as long as you follow the rules!
The rules are quite simple: Send your personal top that includes 10 acts from the Grand Finale of this years Eurovision AND your alias to this email-address: schultze94@gmail.com
Deadline: Sometime before the ETSC starts, usually at the end of June!
Reveal date: TBA
DO NOT POST YOUR TOP IN THE COMMENT SECTION DOWN BELOW!
The Eurovision Times 
A shout out to Donny, WOW what a freaking game, what a finale! Just like last year, La Rochelle beats the almighty Leinster and this time in Dublin! 26-27, a come back after being 17pts down! They’re now double European champions, for a team that only made it to the French first league 6 years ago and has now made it to three consecutive European finals and two titles :o
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2023/may/20/leinster-v-la-rochelle-champions-cup-rugby-union-final-live
and Toulon beat Glasgow in the small cup yesterday, double French wins just like last year when LR won the C1 and Lyon won the C3! French rugby vs. Irish rugby is going to be amazing in the upcoming World cup!
Kneeling to show respect while the fallen heroes return from the battlefield 💔💔💔
This is a bit like the videos of the western (I count Aus and NZ as the West) trainers saluting the Ukrainian troops leaving the base to head home. Very impressive.
MF at its best and one of the most iconic NF songs of the 00s
Should have won. So much better than Hero.
The peak year with an insanely amount of 2,4 million televotes in the final!
It’s a bit funny that Melodifestivalen had its golden years at a time when Sweden was doing rather poorly in ESC.
coz of awful/average/bland winners like “Las Vegas” or “La Voix”
The Azerbaijani National Anthem never sounded so good.
Considering my rankings are done mostly based on my personal taste and some kind of objectivity is used to separate songs I like in a similar way:
Biggest grower: France (+10) The song was fine, but the live performance was effective for me, unlike most of my former top 10. Those clips they shared during the semifinal were misleading. I assume the 30 seconds shared during the rehearsals were similar, I skipped them this year.
Worst downgrade: Serbia (-15) 🤣 The live performance wasn’t good but I also stopped enjoying the singularity of the song.
An ABBA spokesperson told SVT that there would not be a reunion or a joint appearance by ABBA at ESC 2024. Two takeaways from that 1) Obviously SVT asked 2) this means the door is open for an apperance by 2 or 3 as they have done multiple times before.
My main wish for the ESC 2024 format is a shorter voting window and less interval acrs. And of course it would be great if they could drag at least some ABBAs onto stage …
I just want the full backing vocals to end.
That too of course. I was only talking format here. Live vocals and live instruments on stage, please!
I can now say that I enjoy “Tattoo” slightly better than “Euphoria :o
PS: what the fuck is wrong with this person? :/
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/1772641/Stefanos-Tsitsipas-mum-Italian-Open-Daniil-Medvedev
I don’t like Tsitsipas but I will say his parents are incredibly toxic and seem to put a lot of negative pressure on him so I don’t exactly blame him for the outburst. Some tennis players need to just take their families out of their professional lives, there are so many coach/parent combinations and it seems that 9 times out of 10 it ends up bad for the player.
I have thought of that regarding his parents as well. Still, calling your own mother names in public is, to say the least, unacceptable.
Yeah… these conversations shouldn’t be had on the tennis court in public. But Tsitsipas really does need to sit down and talk with his parents about their role in his career. I think the large majority of players coached by their parents would do themselves a service by hiring new coaches.
Check Caroline Garcia rofl
One person decided to meticulously dissect the jury results.
70 minute video that is a dream for a stat nerd. I’m watching it now.
Actually watched the whole thing. Since I’m not creative in any way, this acidic, above the neck type of analysis appeals to me.
While the research is meticulous and goodness knows how long it took, the premise of “wrong” or “right” jury voting here is still dependent on a subjective thing, ie her scoring of the songs.
The instances of all 5 jury members all ranking a song either 24th or 25th never fails to crack me up though.
She’s my favourite ESC YTer, but I haven’t had time yet to watch this analysis.
The 70 minutes fly by actually.
And you can’t be anything but a fanatic when you take the time to research the ages and backgrounds of every single jury member. That’s quite the ordeal.
Props to her, it’s a hell of a commitment.
In general, I’m amazed at the level of work and effort the fans put into it.
On this very website, you have people running contents, receiving the votes, counting the votes, preparing everything (links, etc).
Liverpool was my 22th esc I’ve attended and it was marvelous. I’ve never seen a host city so much into the festival. Everywhere posters, esc music, every shop window and how welcoming the Liverpool inhabitants were. And there was a great Euroclub [2 big dance floors with a lot of artist preforming from previous years] and also eurofan club was well organized. The atmosphere in the venue was great [I felt a bit sorry for loreen the crowd was shouting Cha cha cha so much although it had something funny too].
For my aftermath. Biggest surprise was Belgium. And Marco knows how to deliver. My pre-favorite only gained more respect [Czechia]. I was disappointed in the staging from France. I’d rather seen the Eiffeltower on the led instead of turning La Zara into it…..
In the final I could have done without Poland, Croatia and Serbia. Dearly missed was Latvia and a final without my own country feels always a little bit emptier [although I knew before going to the Uk we would miss the final].
Happy to learn that you enjoyed your ESC experience. 🙂
What a wonderful(not) May this is shaping up for me: weather, eurovision results, election results! :D
You will be relieved then that Yannopoulos finished 22nd out of 23 in the ND ballot for the south of Athens :-P
I dislike him, but not THAT much! :P
Αt least he had the guts to ask ND supporters to vote for him as openly gay. Whereas the two out gays in the cabinet were simply appointed and never appeared on the ballot.
But they are both among the most qualified members of the cabinet, especially ,Alexis Patelis
Ι think you confuse “quaified” with someone who got a fancy degree from an american university. I don’t think either of them has amounted to much in their post, especially Yatromanolakis whose conception of “culture” is what will make Athens sound hip in the next issue of Wallpaper magazine. In any case, political positions should go to elected politicians, not appointed mandarins.
I don’t think I confuse anything. I have read what others in the cabinet have said about the work Patelis did from his position.
Many have already voted! Great! But bare in mind that there is the ET awards in between, so you do have the time to think about how you wanna cast your points! In the meantime here is a collection of statistics throughout the years of the premath:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1roC2W7nfJo4nZSYmqff8V3yPYQA_hZ_OdxtPbQOv-IQ/edit?usp=sharing
I am gonna add this to the next official article for the Aftermath and I am also gonna do an Aftermath statistics as well, so you more easily can compare the two
If the need some fake voters (for example to increase the point totals for my people) I’m easy to find.
I take pride in being openly corrupt. None of this clandestine stuff. Haha
This doesn’t need a comment. Hilarious.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/177644734929893?fs=e&s=9RfQYY&mibextid=GHO8K5
Loreen announces European tour dates :
https://escxtra.com/2023/05/22/loreen-announced-tour/
A lot of these venues are smaller and intimate. Just perfect for a concert.
Voted. 3 countries from my Premath’s top 10 ended as #11, #12 and #14 in Aftermath.
A HUGE climber claimed my 10p :o
One of the weakest esc editions ever. I have 15 songs I care more or less but the rest of the ranking is nightmarish.
Also worst Greek entry since 2016. I don’t know what ERT was thinking in both cases. If they use esc just to promote specific agendas, then that’s what we get: A deserved non Q !
Will it be Foureira or Argiros next year?
Lol. After this year’s fiasco, you’d wish
Am I the only one here who is not a fan of Argyros’ music and don’t want to see him in eurovision? :o
I dont know him nor his music, so right now I have no opnion on the matter :)
Eurovision needs a boost in GRC. Last time greek people got passionate about our entry was back in 2013.
The truth is no one really cared about our recent representatives, but at least with Amanda and Stefania there was a professional team behind (and better songs) to secure a decent result.
Who on earth though it was a good idea to send Victor with such an unappealing song this year? Unless other connections played a role (with ERT, I would not be surprised)
I’m the only non Greek round here who knows him. And to know him is to love him. Huge fan of, both music and the man.
Fingers crossed it won’t be either of the two.
Both together!
:)
On the positive side: if this was the Safari-vision or ZooVision contest, Greece would have won convincingly.
This is an American specific joke, but I immediately thought of Brian Fellows when I say it.
Lol
“Who the hell is Brian?”
Foe Foe foe foe :P
Haha.
I agree. I like my TOP 10 and then there are 5 more songs I don’t mind. The rest of the bunch I never want to listen to again.
Exactly the same feeling
Damn, you were able to get to 10? Impressive.
Having random taste helps a lot. 🥳
After 6ish I start sputtering. By 10, not only has the engine exploded, but also I am at the bottom of the cliff.
Exactly where we ended up when I foolishly let you drive the De Bee Malta bandwagon.
That lovely bandwagon only crashed because you let too many people on board. I should have never trusted you with controlling access because you allowed all those ladies hop on without properly scrutinizing their credentials …
Hahahaha. That was hilarious. Literally can’t stop laughing.
So I didn’t properly scrutinize everybody. I’m a good hearted person, what can I say? I like the give people the benefit of the doubt.
So we ended up flipping over a few times and landed upside down. On the bright side, broken bones do heal after a while.
Morgan will like that
looks like a couple
Wrong move ,Spain:
From now on, they will be sending some version of Chanel every year…
Probably. Sad but at the same I wish France did that after some of our awful entries
RIK should ring them asap.
In order to organize Ayia Napa Fest? 😁
To avoid repeating Fuego and Slomo.
She was the heart and soul of Benidorm Fest and managed to see a Spanish esc rebirth during her time at the wheel. A 3rd place and am artistically acclaimed 17th place definitely don’t justify this decision.
they dropped her for someone who was around since 2017… sure the 2017-2021 run was so amazing for Spain :/
So,it gets worse. 🤨
RIP Tina. One of my best singers of teenage life.
I came here to post the sad news. RIP
She was one of my mother’s cultural icons.
She’s an icon! RIP :'(
💔💔💔
She was great. May she RIP.
💔😪💔😪💔
@Morgan
Love your avatar! 💞
Yay!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/22/the-guardian-view-on-the-greek-election-the-new-hegemony#comments
So, apparently Polish officials and fans are pissed with Noa Kirel because, during an interview last week, she said that she was especially honored to receive 12 pts from Poland because many members of her family died in concentration camps there. I believe she must have said that there were Polish collaborators with the nazi regime involved something that has enraged people in Poland.
So the truth gets people mad? Even if it all starts with a “I’m honored I got 12 from there”? Hm
True. But some of the comments underlined the current Polish government’s policy to rewrite parts of the national history.
Local nazi collaborators were an inconvenient reality all around Europe.In Thessaloniki f.i there were Greeks who took over properties of the thriving Greek Jewish population of the city once they were shipped to concentration camps. Only in the last decade I see these stories emerge and there are also movies and documentaries made to tell their story.
Yes, in France, Pétain’s Vichy regime was collaborating actively with the third Reich and European fascists, but Charles de Gaulle liberating France transformed the national storytelling into a “France was the Resistance”, helping rebuild post WWII and creating the illusion and fantasy France was on the good side of History… and among the “winners” of WWII lol
Eurovisionfun continues their all time low propaganda there by making an article about Victor’s top 10 for 2023 and making a HUGE drama out of it (Victor had Cyprus 9th, which is quite alright if you ask me)
Of course they won’t allow any comment adressing them as “yellow press” being posted there …
#xeftila
Finally voted.
I havent yet, my bf is getting a 7h tattoo, so Loreen rofl :p
I think tatoo is my next fashion statement.