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ETSC 7: Discover the Winner!


ETSC – Every year, the summer is the calm after the storm so it’s the perfect time to resume the highly anticipated the Eurovision Times Song Contest! 42 of you entered for the July 2017 edition and the voting went on for ten days! And the results are in and we have a winner!

Each summer, a good number of regular readers stay around for different reasons (they don’t get breaks from work or don’t go on holidays…) but there aren’t much news to keep us going. So the last few years we introduced all sort of games. The Eurovision Times Awards (Fridas) and the Douze Points Trivia Quiz kept us going in 2013 and Fridas have made come-backs the past four years. Three years ago, a lot of you asked for a fake Eurovision where each one of us would send songs and get to vote. And that was it: the Eurovision Times Song Contest, from then on known as ETSC.

After a first round open for people to sign up with a country and send a song, we got 42 people in. In the meantime, to keep us busy, I made a random draw. I also made personal postcards for each entry which will be revealed along with the songs. Everyone can request to see their own postcards for now.

You can click on the picture below to listen to the songs again:

This seventh event was officially hosted in Copenhagen, Denmark after “Sky” by Blaue Blume won “ETSC 6 – August 2016″. The host was our favorite Danish pirate, Euron Grejoy aka Pilou Asbæk! The venue was Koncerthuset!

Results lasted for 4h! 1,746 comments later… Here are the full results (click to see in big):

As ETSC is 100% open, here are three incidents that occurred during the voting:

  • It appears that Jordan’s votes by email had a mistake, as Spain did not get 3pts but Italy did. During the voting, as scoreboards were already made, nothing was changed. The official results are now corrected. While it does not affect Italy, which remains third with 115pts instead of 112pts, it impacts both Spain and FYR Macedonia who swap places, with Macedonia 13th with 70pts and Spain 14th with 67pts (tied with Estonia but more voters gave points to Spain).
  • During the voting, Luxembourg was marked 17th while Switzerland 18th both at 63pts. But Switzerland got votes from more people and is the rightful 17th! Sorry again for these kind of mistakes!
  • Someone sent an email with a first set of votes and a second one “corrected”. Usually, the rules state clearly that it’s not possible to change but… the second email came 1s after the other one, like literally less than a minute “oops I made a mistake copying/pasting” and not like two days later “I changed my mind”. I decided to allow it. Funny enough, the country that was added was Netherlands, which would have stayed second but further down if I hadn’t allowed it. But it’s not ETSC spirit!
  • Last, after I sent a reminder email for the last 24h to vote, someone outside of Europe replied that he couldn’t make the deadline but could email me later 2h after midnight to be precise. I also allowed because I didn’t want to disqualify a song with 40+ pts and because this person came forward to discuss the matter with me and still could vote. The person agreed to not look at ET hints or predictions for these two hours until he could find a computer to email the votes. Again, even though it’s a close contest, these votes did not change the Top 3.
  • I was rightfully told I made a mistake regarding Bosnia’s 1 pt and it should have gone to Greece and not Bosnia & Herzegovina. Luckily, it does not affect the respective countries’ placings.

I hope you don’t mind or disagree with my decision making: I tried to keep in mind it’s only a game and that ETSC spirit is coming together, sharing music, reliving a bit of that esc moment we won’t get until May 2018! At least it’s out in the open and you can comment to tell me what you think I should have done if I should have done otherwise!

Now time for the prediction game! It was first started in ETSC 4 “hint” article and back then I wrote this: “We can play a guessing game, people wishing to participate can post a “prediction” top 10 and I’ll award points based on the countries that are in the actual top 10 and predicted in yours accorddingly. I wont reveal the results until after the voting and winner is announced, but we’d get an extra side bet to care about ;)” In the end, a good 15 people or so played and Donnie was the winner, though no one predicted Austria to win or France to be runner-up. The prediction game was again open for ETSC 5, which was won by Nick P! However the game took a very serious turn in ETSC 6, where I put it all in an excel to keep track of everyone’s prediction and the overall predicted results and Donnie won it again! Here’s what we had for ETSC 7:

PREDICTED TOP TEN CORRECT TOP TEN
1  France (1) 1   France (1)
2 Denmark (4) 2  Netherlands (5)
3  Belgium (8) 3  Italy (13)
4  Sweden (5) 4  Denmark (2)
5  Netherlands (2) 5   Sweden (4)
6  Serbia (6) 6  Serbia (6)
7 Azerbaijan (21) 7  Finland (17)
8  Spain (14) 8  Belgium (3)
9  UK (16) 9  Israel (11)
10  Lebanon (12) 10  Norway (14)

So the results: Dimitris (389), Tecku (350), Nick P (340), Shevek (337), Brittany (336), Daniel (334), Gregor (333), Pablo (332), Razvan (327), Gregor (321), Togravus (305), Dino (287), Donnie (283) Anders (281), Ovidarch (278), PJ (276), David (247), Franco (243), Guitar (241), Oxi (240), Martin (194), Kostas (144). Congratulations Dimitris, who worked hard on the hints! You are our new Prediction king! Dimitris, Tecku, Nick and Razvan got 8/10! Nick got third, fourth, fifth, sixth all perfectly correct, but didnt even predict Netherlands in the Top 10 and so our former winner failed to win again!

Here’s hindights on the hints:

  • And two entries have gotten more than half of the people voting for it: France (23 votes) and Netherlands (22 votes) made it pass half of the voters.
  • Only one song from the top 12 didn’t get a single one: it was Finland (7th).
  • The record this edition is 4 times (for two different countries): France, the winner, and Luxembourg (18th)!
  • More than 3 HoDs will get their first Top 10 in ETSC: indeed, PJ, Paschalis, Hjallis and Martin got their first Top 10 in ETSC! Congratulations!
  • Now for a big hint, read it only if you dare, half of the Top 10 is within 14 songs from one another: it’s actually even less: from Netherlands (1) to Italy (11), we find 5 songs in the Top 10 (Netherlands, Israel, Serbia, Finland and Italy)! The entire first half has 8 songs from the Top 12 with Lebanon, France and Moldova as well!
  • Fun facts: one HoD has the Top 2 as his 11th and 12th: it was Tecku (Uk). Another one has them 1st and 2nd: it was Daniel (Denmark). We can add that Razvan (NL), second, gave 12 to France the winner.

So the winner is France! The song is “L’amour en solitaire” by Juliette Armanet. Born in 1984 in Lille, Juliette composing music at age 14. But she studied theater and movies, and worked for a while for the Franco-German channel Arte where she did documentaries. She won a music contest in 2014, held by music magazine Les Inrocks, which helped her work on a first album, Petite Amie (which can be translated both as “Girlfriend” and “Little Friend”). It was released in April 2017 and it lead to a few singles, including the ETSC 7 winner!

It was chosen for this contest by Sekhmet Morgan, who wins it for the third time after finishing in the Top 3 for the last four editions, following the first two wins. The winner got points from 23 people out of 41 possible! It got 154pts total, which is on par with what France got when it won before (155pts in ETSC 1 and 156pts in ETSC2): it represents 31.3% of possible points (best remains France in ETSC 1 which recieved 47.8%, Israel in ETSC 5 at 33.9% and Denmark in ETSC 6 at 33.1% ). This is the fourth edition won by female vocals, after three male vocals in a row! It’s also the first without any English lyrics at all (ETSC 1 was won by a bilingual French-English song). Here’s the winning clip:

Behind this win, we had one of the the closest contests ever, and it’s only a 6-point difference for the win! Netherlands comes second, the best result ever for the country who had never been in the Top 5 before! It’s also Razvan’s best result after he was 5th with Finland before! The French pattern is not a thing anymore after being twice 1st, twice 2nd and twice 3rd! But first is better than 4th! Italy did great as well, as it’s the first time Italy gets in the Top 3 and only the second it gets in the Top 10 after once 10th! PJ is a newcomer and he enters with a bang! Welcome and congratulations! No other songs made it pass 100pts which is quite rare in ETSC! The nordics start to kick in, with Denmark (96 points), Sweden (92 points) or Finland (88 points) and Norway (83 points), a country we never guess right. Denmark gets therefore a second Top 5 in a row, Sweden makes a come back after being high and low, Finland keeps a great record, being 5th, 6th and 7th before, it gets a second 7th place! Serbia gets its first Top 10 result ever in ETSC, and Moldova (11th) and Lebanon (12th) were close to join, but they were outranked by Israel, which gets a 6th Top 10 result out in a row (out of 7 editions)!

As for “ETSC 8 – August 2017″, it will be officially held in Paris, Palais des Sports. Paris becomes the first city to host it twice, and France to host it for the fourth time! The logo for it is inspired by the winner again, using a promo picture by Juliette, but reworked so I put the focus on the piano hearing, as an homage to the winning song. We can now discuss if people want to try or not a blind edition! It will most likely open next weekend (5th of August).

This is a work in progress, tell me what you think:

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1,513 comments on “ETSC 7: Discover the Winner!

  1. Α live performance by Eleftheria Arvanitaki of a classic Greek song called “August”:

  2. Here’s Luísa Sobral’s “Cupido”, getting played a lot in the radio station I listened to. Hope it can improve that mood :-)

  3. ‘Quebra’ by Peixe:Avião, Oxi:

  4. Turkey is very likely returning to Eurovision…and probably with maNga 😊

  5. MaNga have come back with another tweet, making it clear that they are not going to be representing Turkey at Eurovision again, but are just excited about the possibility of the country returning to the contest.

  6. Total views at the official YouTube channel are down by 50% compared to the previous two years. This year’s most popular live performance on YT (Sunstroke Project) has clocked 9 million views so far, way below Sergey Lazarev’s 20 million. At 16 million, last year’s winner has double the views of Salvador Sobral, who is struggling to surpass Dami Im. In fact, last year’s top-3 has more views than all the live performances of 2017 put together…

    • This is very worrying information as the drop is drastic. TV ratings were down, a bit. It tells a different story. ESC is still unbelievably strong tv spectacle. YouTube views tells us that interest in ESC music is diving. It was bad tv for sure to aliniate some viewers from afterglow, but it really doesn’t explain it all.

      • I do think the low quality of the show had something to do with it though. Sloppy direction, ugly spaceship stage. Even I have trouble watching some of the performances again. It is interesting that Moldova is on top since it was clearly the most tightly directed and visually interesting of all the performances.

        • I haven’t watch anything again. I really became a bit alienated because of tje show. The gate to ESC fandom is the final. You have to fall in love with the pomp and spectacle. Ukrainians made it really hard this year. And yeah, Moldovians made tight, fun prime time TV. Also return of Epic Sax Guy made headlines even in our very ESC fatigue tabloids 😃

    • YouTube is also nurturing platform for budding fans. What’s happening?

    • let’s see how 2017 does in 2018 though: usully there’s also a peak during the NEW nf/esc season for people who go”oh what was it last year again?”

    • Things will change next year when a mainstream hit (I’m nearly sure an uptempo one) will win after 2 years of not very “mainstream” and “hity” winners.
      Sunstroke Project’s sucess really demonstrates the hunger of fun stuff thogh it will remain one of the most irritating entries for me.

    • That’s because 99 % of YT clips represent people who are between 14 and 29. Therefore those number tell us absolutely nothing about the popularity of the songs. All those internet statistics are a distortion of reality because they are dominated by a minority of the population. It’s as if you said: In the next parliament elections the votes of people with black hair will be multiplied by 1000 and then say that the results represent what the population as a whole thinks. :)

    • It has not been a good year for Eurovision overall. First there was all the chaos about the bidding phase and the planning of the shows, then politics showed its ugly face two months before the contest with the Russia/Ukraine dispute, and then there is a contest with a lot of really flat songs. In my family they thought it was the worst Eurovision for many years. Show-wise: probably OK, but the hosts weren’t good. Guess it all added up to a fading enthusiasm about the show this year.

      And then there is a winner which is loved by those who admire the more artistic songs (myself included), but less by the pop crowd who is the main audience of the contest.

      • I agree with all that (though I think the edition was musically ok, with great songs from Portugal, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Italy, Belgium… even if people can say it lacked the crazy it usually gets).

        Id add that we did have for the second year a divisive winner. As much as I was rooting for Jamala and Salvador, I understand these winners are a bit out of the box in the esc world, and while fans will discuss and debate, they’re not songs you can play on the radio and cheer for during the summer that follows the contest. It’s not that I’d rather have someone else winning (plus Dami or Kristian didn’t have cheerful songs either) but it’s also part of the bitter sweet where people moan about the winner (juries going political against Serguey, Salvador’s winning words that can be interpreted as attack on other competitors)…

        • I don’t think “Rise like a phoenix” was a hit song either.People were crazy about Conchita the character and not the song.Plus,i will always prefer a great winner like 2016 and 2017 than a average pop song that on top of it all fails to do well with the charts.The last big mainstream winner was Euphoria.
          About juries voting against Sergey is nonsense,imo,He was 5th with the juries.It was an average yet catchy pop song that sounds dated for most people outside the esc bubble or the ex Soviet countries.Francesco was 7th with the juries for God’s sake.

          • I agree, but Conchita did get invited in France’s talk shows and was a memorable character that got France’s interest enough to move the contest back to the bigger Fr2 channel and that moved us to try “a bit” harder…

            I also agree on the juries, but it was indirect free speech, what was said back then against Jamala. Not only do I prefer Jamala, but I also like the current system best (and I’m alone on this, as people have cried a lot either against juries (remember 2015? or also the political voting) or against televote (voting for gimmicks, or neighbour voting))

            • I also read yesterday that Amar pelos dois will be the soundtrack for a big Brazilian soap opera,an epoque series.It will definitely be a memorable winner just like “1944” just not for the esc bubble.
              On 2015,i never said it was political voting but that Heroes was hugely overrated by the juries.Just like Sound of Silenece in 2016.I don’t think the juries are really given a guideline by the EBU to voted for certain songs.Why would the EBU want to avoid an Italian win back in 2015?It’s just that oftentimes,they are narrow-minded and vote for particular genres only when you’d expect them to be more open to songs and genres.The televoters are better at that.All in all,i do agree though that the current system is the best.

            • It’s also due to whom the countries’ broadcasters pick for their juries. In 2015, for once, the French jury was actually decent, and they had Aminata first and Loïc second. But every country has to play the game well. And that’s a lot to ask 42 countries…

            • You’re not alone on preferring the current system. The only thing I don’t really get is, why not just let f.e. the jury vote from San Marino count as their televote too.

            • the whole “average of countries neighbouring SM” was a disgraceful choice

  7. @PJ
    Ah, ok, You do know I will be forever sing praises of you because you brought Baustelle to my world 😃

  8. Dreaming about my triumph in ETSC #8:

  9. Any news on upcoming edition? :)

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