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TEKO 2017: Vote in Group 16!


teko-2017-logoTEKO 2017 – It’s time to vote in group 16 of TEKO 2017; a knockout format (like the World Cup) tournament for Eurovision 2017. Today, you can start voting in the group of second chance countries!

After 13 groups and 39 countries facing the chopping block, we have 13 winners and 13 second places! The results of the groups so far are shown below. But before that, some analysis:

  • The average percentage for a group winner was 55.69%! Most of the groups hovered around 50%, meaning that the few runaway winners helped to pull up the groups that were much more evenly spread out. Runners-up were at 30.62% and third places at 13.62%.
  • A group with those numbers would’ve produced the sixth strongest winner, ninth strongest runner-up, and seventh strongest third place.
  • The average margin between first place and second place was 24.77%. Had a group resulted in that result, it would’ve been the ninth largest margin.
  • Ukraine deserves a nod as being the best-performing third place, earning 24% in group 11! It would’ve been the ninth-best runner-up.
  • Group winners Finland and the Netherlands would’ve pushed two of the second-chance qualifiers out of the group.

So for group 16, Armenia, Israel, and Sweden, are being brought back for a second chance!

TEKO 2017 – Group 16

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Please listen to the three competing entries:

 ARMENIA Artsvik – Fly With Me

ISRAEL IMRI – I Feel Alive

SWEDEN Robin Bengtsson – I Can’t Go On

To hear the song, click on the respective flag!

The voting:

After listening to the three songs, it’s time for you to vote! Please vote for your favorite out of the three.

Europe (…and Australia…and the rest of the world), start voting now!

UPDATE: The results for this group are out now!

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174 comments on “TEKO 2017: Vote in Group 16!

  1. Btw. I often experience a quite irritating bug with the Eurovision Times site: If I click on an article and then go back to the main page by clicking the “go one page back” button up on the left, I will have some 3-4 days old articles on the top. The URL will look like this: https://eurovisiontimes.wordpress.com/page/2

  2. Despite losing in all 4 big Turkish cities (Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir, Adana), Erdogan gets what he wants :(

  3. According to Greek media, Turkish voters living in Greece voted in the referendum as follows:
    Yes/Evet: 35%
    No/Hayir: 65%

    http://www.naftemporiki.gr/story/1225284/pos-psifisan-oi-apodimoi-tourkoi-stin-ellada

    • The USA,Canada,Sweden,The UK etc says NO
      Germany,Belgium,Netherlands,France says YES

      • I’ve been to The Guradian’s website. The yes has won by a thin margin; everything seems fishy, imo.

      • is there an explanation about this geographical distibution of the votes? I mean, it seems that in countries where Turkish diaspora is huge: Germany, France, Belgium, netherlands, the Yes vote was far larger. while small Turkish communities like in Greece f.e. voted for NO.

        • The Diaspora in The UK is big too but they said NO
          I think it is up to the education they have and the family they are coming from…People in Europe voting yes are conservatives who are originally from middle&eastern parts of Turkey)

      • I wouldn’t be surprised if the results were very different in the German Federal States. I expect huge yes support from Berlin and NRW f. e. but wouldn’t be surprised if states like Bavaria and Ba-Wü voted no.

        • Ba-Wü is smart…Smart ppl live there ;)
          The saddest irony we have experienced today is they used democracy to eredicate democracy 😖

          • It happened in Germany in 1933 too and we can only hope that Turkey will go down a different road. And in fact, I think (and hope) that Germany back then was a singular instance in history that won’t be repeated ever again. (And Mr. Erdogan reminds me much more of Mr. Mussolini anyway …) Luckily, we live in a globalised world in which it is much more difficult to follow a national agenda without others having the power to intervene. We’ll see if they do, which I doubt. And we’ll have to wait and see how the Turkish tourist industry will do in the next seasons f. e. Fact is that people will think again once the economic situation gets tough.

            • I agree. On the tourism part: Portugal is already being chosen as a destination by many who wanted to go Turkey and have changed their minds.

            • Same is true for Spain and even Tunisia.

            • As for tourists we( travel agents) are not expecting a major loss…The goverment will find a way to close the gap( like no visa requirements or only ID pass for some countries visiting Turkey most (they are trying to do with Russia and Ukraine) …And as a Travel agent we always say that the quality is better than quantity…Quality here meaning the tourist that actually spend a lot of money and these kind of tourists are mostly coming from the east….As for the economy like I always said unless it goes bad,their reign will remain

            • Humanity is a hopeless case. As a friend of mine likes to say: To mother earth we are what plant louses are to plants … :(

            • That is so true…The right is dangerously on the rise…Our planet’s destiny is in the hands of arrogant bullies

            • And people who do not care about the planet that sustains all of us to begin with … Almost all politicians think that their ego is more important than the wellbeing of the planet we all live on. If that is a fact, what can you expect when it comes to other issues?
              And as for striking deals with Russia and Ukraine: One thug gets along very well with other thugs … until he thinks that he’s got the upper hand. What saddens me most is that I don’t see a bright future for my beloved Turkey. What has happened to the country I learned to love when I was a young boy? :(

            • “There are reasons to be sad, disconsolate, bitter, but there is not a single reason to be hopeless.”
              ― Nâzım Hikmet

            • And this ❤
              “The most beautiful sea
              hasn’t been crossed yet.
              The most beautiful child
              hasn’t grown up yet.
              The most beautiful days
              we haven’t seen yet.
              And the most beautiful words I wanted to tell you
              I haven’t said yet…”
              ― Nâzım Hikmet

              See even he was in a lot worse situation,he never gave up thinking positive…why should we?

            • I loooove Nâzım Hikmet. And of course we will never lose hope because that is the only sensible thing to do. The bastards will have their moments of glory but in the end it will be No pasarán! :)

            • No pasarán 😊🦋

            • When we went to Moscow, we visited his grave…one of my friend read his poems and the other one left the illustration of him she draw…That was a wonderful moment❤

            • <3 You and your friends rock. Alas, Erdo doesn't …

            • I just want FIRST to stop killing and devastating of Syria!! And i don’t blame Russia, the US, ISIL, i blame EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY are guilty! :((

            • It all goes back to colonial times and the European arrogant concept of bringing civilization *cough* to “uncivilized parts of the world”, thereby destroying working civilizations that already existed all over the world. Alas, everyone has made terrible mistakes ever since …

          • @Mermaid and Togravus:

            “The most beautiful sea
            hasn’t been crossed yet.
            The most beautiful child
            hasn’t grown up yet.
            The most beautiful days
            we haven’t seen yet.
            And the most beautiful words I wanted to tell you
            I haven’t said yet…”

            This is a song, “The Most Beautiful Sea”, sung by Maria Dimitriadi. Music by Thanos Mikroutsikos. The lyrics are the translation of those particular verses by Nazim Hikmet! <3

    • In the Netherlands it was 68,9% yes and 31,1% no.

      • :(

        • I am sure lots of that result can be explained by the diplomatic row from last month.

          • I must say that what happenned there helped “YES” more :(

            • I totally agree with you point regarding the EU’s attitude towards Turkey. When that Merkel creature came up with the “priviliged partnership” phrase more than 10 years ago, I said that it was a humiliation that would eventually backfire. Ms Merkel is a historic disaster anyway. Most of the anti-EU sentiments are down to her and Mr Schäuble’s arrogant “Germany does it best and everyone else needs to do likewise” attitude. Alas, most people in Germany don’t want to hear this truth. :(

            • A foreign observer writes “Atatürk died 79 years ago but Turks burried him today” It was like a punch in the face…I literally cried.I was very hopeful from this election 😞

            • I don’t think that we’ll see pleasant things happening in the weeks to come. Stay strong, dear Mermaid.

            • For me 2 things were really interesting: first one is what i read was people who have Turkish passports in Germany,Belgium,France and Netherlands are actually Kurds from Turkey and this was kind of true because if you check last elections results Kurdish party got very high votes from these countries but in this referendum either Kurds abroad didn’t go to vote or they also voted for yes. Second thing is i was not expecting a No from all the biggest cities of Turkey, it was also surprising. Anyway i wish the best for you, i hope everything will be better for all of us.

            • There are Kurds of course but their numbers is nothing compared to Turks…Not every person from Eastern Turkey are Kurds!

            • I wasn’t talking about Turkey itself . I was talking about the Kurdish diaspora from Turkey in some european countries. Otherwise i know Kurds are around %20 of Turkish population but doesn’t
              eastern Turkey have mostly Kurdish\Arabic population? As far as i know in most of eastern cities Kurds are the majority also this is what some Turks and Kurds told me. Once a Kurdish guy told me ”if you see a dark hot guy with thick moustache, eyebrows and many hair be sure that he is Kurdish ”, then i told to him like Ibrahim Tatlises ? and he laughed a lot ( my dad knows some of his songs but he did not know he is Kurdish )
              I think recently most popular Kurd was Hamit Altintop ( maybe you don’t know him since you are not into football, he is a German football player also i think he played for Turkish national team for some years) He is the profile that comes to my mind as a Kurd.

            • And I was talking about Kurds in Europe…Anyways Turk /Kurd no matter what their ethnicity is,as long as they are religious conservatives they are the Same!!!

            • Yes It is same for every country, lets hope world will have a better future though everything shows the opposite, still i don’t want to be hopeless.

          • Yes, but one would say that, those people voting abroad are more familiar to “western values” thus should be more open minded, liberal and progressive, so to speak, and therefore vote for “No”.

            • Most of them(people voting YES) see Europe as an enemy pulling Turkey down… The attitude of Europe regarding Turkey’s EU membership all these years helped RTE and his compaign a lot…EU is also responsible for what we have been going through right now

            • It sounds a bit akward. I see your point though.

            • What is awkward?Them seeing Europe enemy or my comments regarding EU…I am not an expert,I am just sharing my observations…

            • Them seeing Europe as an enemy :(

            • Conservative patriotic ones do…similiar to what dimitris just wrote below

            • Apparently it doesn’t work that way. And I am not sure where to put the blame for that. Somehow I expected Sweden to be a YES country also.

            • “And I am not sure where to put the blame for that.”
              I hear you :(

            • I think that most of these communities integrate to their new home only to a certain degree and safeguard their patriotic conservative values as a way to connect to their homeland.I read an article that Turks in Germany on the one hand don’t have to face the consequences of an excessively authoritarian regime in their everyday life and on the other,they feel that a strong leader that opposes the big powers and seeks a bigger role for Turkey on the world stage is the best for their country.Authoritarian daddies rule.

            • “… only to a certain degree and safeguard their patriotic conservative values as a way to connect to their homeland.”

              I’m afraid that was what i was thinking too, but, at the same time hoping I was wrong.

            • I would have expected the same – I mean, even in Romania they voted no. Same in the UK (though that’s not surprising). A disappointing result anyway.

  4. Israel and Eurovisiontimes, don’t fail me now :|

  5. I don’t like any, but I voted Sweden..

  6. I’d like Sevrina to return to ESC with smth like her new song from 2017 – “Kao”!

  7. Breaking news: ESC Portugal has just reported that Luísa Sobral will be be present for the two tecnhical rehearsals of the Portuguese entry; Salvador will only travel to Kiev on May 7th for the dress rehearsals, due to medical reasons. His sister will also be present in the press conferences. I am not surprised, but there is no point in explaining why; ones health is one’s top priority.

  8. ‘Beautiful Mess’ is a story of contrasting pictures and characters – both on the dark and bright side, all combined into one eclectic mixture. Our project this year is dedicated to all young people living in the midst of [an] insecure and confused world. We are urging them to define themselves and fight for the values they believe in.”
    Taken from the Bulgarian press-release.Could this mean that their staging will see Kristian as a superhero teen fighting to find his place in a messy world?I believe the official video may give us a clue as to how it wil be staged.
    As for an excellent analysis of some of the 2016 performances:
    For an act to succeed at Eurovision, does it have to provide secular audiences with something akin to a communal religious experience? I’d argue yes, increasingly so. Many recent winning and successful acts display something akin to supernatural powers in their staging, manipulating either organic or technological elements in a display of demigod omnipotence. The staging for 1944 portrays Jamala as a kind of nature deity – we see a tree grow out of her, and as she sings “We could build a future where people are free”, a new world is born from her pain; the idea of the world tree is central in Indo-European mythology. Zoe and Greta were also depicted as nature goddesses, but while the former appeared as a virginal innocent in a paradisiacal garden who magicked some poppies into life (a benign and pleasant gesture yet not especially moving or transformative, making her a friendly minor deity), the other was essentially depicted as a goddess of the underworld – dressed in black, controlling flocks of crows and hurling them at the audience, with ghostly shadow-figures behind her; at one point, a woman running towards her is even transformed by her body into a plume of dark smoke emitted from her bosom, pretty much the opposite of a rebirth narrative. There was no sense of the darkness that accompanied Greta being overcome, whereas in Jamala’s performance, we see Ukraine reborn out of pain (just as Conchita was) in the form of the giant tree of light that spawns from her. It’s the dendrological equivalent of Rise Like A Phoenix. The fact Jamala physically reaches out to the viewer at the end, almost as if drowning, is also crucial, I think, in establishing the need for the viewer to Do Something (by televoting) and in its echoing of renaissance art.
    Demigod staging aside, voting for Conchita and Jamala allowed people to say ‘I support gay rights’ and ‘I support Ukraine’. This is a really important factor in an increasingly issue-driven contest. In a world characterised by superficial-only interactions where we’re starved of meaningful connection, televoting becomes a way of reaching out to others and showing you give a shit about a hot-button issue. Eurovision allows us to have encounters we wouldn’t normally have – to hear an Austrian drag queen or a Crimean singer whose great-grandparents were forcibly displaced from their homeland tell their story in song form makes an issue real and relatable through the emotional connection. (This is also why Russia has a superb chance next year if it re-enters Yuliya with a song genuinely intended as a contender: what better backstory for your entry than the expertly orchestrated debacle of the past month?)

    For those who love a long read,check out this article: http://sofabet.com/2017/04/15/eurovision-2017-westerners-karma/

    • They are probably right. All of a sudden there is a case in the foreground instead of a song, and this is not a tendency I support. I was never really happy about Conchita Wurst winning for the same reasons. I ended up liking “1944” for musical reasons, but if it won because of its topic and the story behind it, then there is a problem.

      • I definitely prefer that trend to older contests.Although,i haven’t followed the 50’s and 60’s in detail i’ve read many comments about how messy and,sometimes-shady voting was or the 80’s and 90’s when certain countries were always overrated by the juries.

        • yeah the 60s some juries were definitely crooked, and in the 80s the nordics/german and then the 90s with anything anglosaxon were insane and dumb and damaged the contest for good

    • A large point of music and art as a whole is to tackle todays and yesterdays issues, injustices and trends. If everyone sang about a safe topic, for example ”love” then most of the dynamics would be lost and get very boring in the end. You create through music and art a connection to make the viewer feel something and if that is human rights or a plead for better leaders in the world, then go for it! It is actually 95 % of my reasoning why I want to work in a theatre.
      Btw I do actually recognize the quality in Conchitas song, I really think it was one of the best songs that year, however The Netherlands should have won the jury vote in the end with ”Rise Like a Phoenix” second.
      However it shouldn’t soley be the juries criteria in ESC to go for the connection or feelings and thats a big problem I have seen as the jury is supposed to balance their own personal opinion with the criteria for quality music.
      For me one of the song that screams quality this year from both the live and studio version is Portugal and even if I personally dont really fancy the song, as a jury member I would have easily had this song in my top 15 or even my top 10. I feel that a lot of jury members forgets about the quality criteria and goes straight for their 100 % personal or political (in some countries) opinions. Of course everyone have different tastes, but I would be shocked if Portugal wasn’t in the juries top 5 this year.

      • I agree that the juries shouldn’t be using the same criteria as the public cause then what’s the point in having them around?I do have my issues with them as of lately since they tend to create large margins in favor of one song that isn’t justified using music criteria-only.They loved Australia last year but neither the song’s quality nor its’ after-the-contest success justified their decision.I also agree on Portugal.It’s a song that should be in the juries’ top-3 if not win it.

        • I get your point, however I had Australia really high last year, but im swedish so. It seems Australia and Sweden is starting to create a Cyprus-Greece bonding haha.
          I was hesitant to write something about the strategic voting the jury have begun with, but you’re right its kinda obvious they wanted Australia to host it. Although last year their wasn’t any entry that screamed quality except perhaps Ukraine, but with the controversial lyrics it did a Conchita, where some juries loved it and some hated it.
          It’s starting to get kinda hard imo to recognize quality music and what it is in ESC nowadays as everything is starting to sound more and more alike. I mean just hearing Portugals entry this year, makes you understand how indifferent everything else sounds.

          Setting my personal opinion of Salvador and his act aside I hope that he wins the jury vote as to show their credibility as ”music experts”.

  9. ROFL. That Angus guy from Wiwi gave 9.5 to SWE17 and said that Robin was only in 2nd place on his list while Sweden was topping his list normally. Flag voting … what a pathetic guy!

  10. OGAE ARMENIA:

    01 pt—GEORGIA
    02 pts—NORWAY
    03 pts—CYPRUS
    04 pts—AZERBAIJAN
    05 pts—BULGARIA
    06 pts—PORTUGAL
    07 pts—ITALY
    08 pts—SWEDEN
    10 pts—BELGIUM
    12 pts—FRANCE

    • That is the lowest score Italy got so far, I think. 6 pts to ‘Amar pelos dois’ are quite surprising, given that fact that Armenia is so far from Portugal. Thanks, OGAE Armenia.

      • They always vote for France, both in OGAE and in real ESC, due to recognition of Turkish genocide…

        • That is NOT the real reason though. France recognized the genocide in… 2001! Way before this was even an issue (and this didnt stop France to have Turkey in the top 3 in televote in 2002 for instance, not a year when Turkey finished high either)… actually the main reason is even sadder: there is a HUGE community of Armenians here (and the most famous one of our Franco-Armenian is Charles Aznavour himself): in the end, when France hit rock bottom, we were saved by Armenia (2006 it was one of the only countries voting for us)… France has ZERO esc interest, so our televote is 100% dominated by communities: Portugal usually got our 12pts (Paris is the second biggest Portuguese city), Israel, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Turkey and Armenia are almost secure high marks here. Check our esc televote history…

          • Yes I know that, but the presence of Armenian diaspora in France is the reason why France votes Armenia, why should Armenia vote for France because it’s diaspora live there?
            I like how Azerbaijan always gives few points to the UK for some unknown reasons! :D

          • Real reasons :
            1.French education and francophones : French schools, university and European academy.
            2. A lot of people repatriated from France during USSR.
            3. Companies with French capital and French families living in Armenia temporary.

      • The most surprising are actually 4 points to AZE!

    • Armenia restores the balance after Slovakia for the battle of France-Estonia (I take it personal as a Frenchie who adores Estonian esc history and hates “Verona” lol) ;)

  11. I’m getting closer to my final ranking and I must say I’m pretty satisfied with how this year turned out. I like around half the songs, there are other 5-6 songs that are quite ok, then there’s a bunch of 7-8 average songs and the rest of 7-8 songs are from weak to quite bad.

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