Eurovision 2016 – The best part of the day after the grand final is going through the results and analyzing the heck out of them. You guys looked into some of the interesting results that happened this year so we want to share them. Plus, the new voting happened, not just in format, the voting did change. Here’s first thoughts on it.
So the new voting was presented as “nothing has changed, just the way to present it”. So, while that’s actually a lie, we’ll first look at the new voting only on the way it’s presented.
A New Exciting Reveal
I’m torn for the new system: it’s insanely exciting so I give them that. But the problem is, we get diaspora voting getting BACK its power and momentum and worse, it’s now HIDDEN in that system (more or less, only we know it’s diaspora, it just makes it look like they were liked through Europe not knowing where Armenia, Lithuania or Poland got their points to push them in the top 10)… at the same time, the old system would have maybe given an Australian win, whereas this one brought the 2nd of both list (is that better than Mans actually winning juries but down to 3rd in televote?)… also the full ranking would have pushed a song like France, which is 11th-12th in many countries’ televote (Latvia, Uk, Ireland…), but behind some diaspora, to get big points as it was hugely loved by juries. Also since the two lists are so different (the third with juries, France, was at 148, and Poland in televote was third with 222), the fact that they’re combined earlier, changes the full results a lot. So I’m torn, between the excitement, the fact that both list gets acknowledged live, are all interesting, but for the “fairness” of killing diaspora, the old system (with or without full rankings) feel fairer to me…
Also, the new system does make for some classic moments, since juries are so WTF and, not all, but at least half, very fair… Norway giving 0 to Sweden to give 12 to Italy (while the Stockholm Globen shouted “Sweden!”) or the already iconic 12pts to Georgia from the Uk! These are precious esc moments!
The Voting Did Change
So, the voting is different as I said. But while I keep saying “old system”, I should have written “old systems”. Yes, there is the one between 2009 and 2012 and then the one between 2013 and 2015. In the first one, juries and televote both count as 50%. Each country has therefore two Top 10, one from its national jury (of 5 people more or less well picked, you all know what I mean by that), and one from its televote (and in all country, yes, all, there is some regional bias which is impossible to debate whether that’s cultural closeness or unfair flag bias). Between 2009 and 2012, each broadcaster would merge those two Top 10 and end up with its final voting (in case of a tie, televote would win, something that ALREADY won’t happen in the new voting). Between 2013 and 2015, the full ranking of both sets of votes was used which changed a lot of things, as already shown the past three years: a song like France, which was high in juries and 11th in a few countries, would have done better than the X votes from juries + 0 from televote it got in the 2009-2012 & 2016 system where only the Top 10 were used.
So why did this new system changes things? Let’s take the infamous Lithuania v. Iceland case of 2011. Here are the numbers: Iceland finnished 20th with 61pts (Sigurjón’s Friends with Coming Home) and Lithuania finnished 19th with 63pts (Evelina Sašenko with C’est Ma Vie). In televote, Iceland was 19th (60pts) and Lihuania down to 20th (55pts). Surprisingle enough, juries agreed! Iceland was also 19th (72pts) and Lithuania down to 20th (66pts). That’s right, both jury and televote had both countries in the same spot and order, but they switched order in the merge full ranking in the end. What would have happened this year? Well instead of the early merge, we get both votes added one to another. So Iceland would have gotten 60+72=132pts and Lithuania would have gotten 55+66=121pts and, of course, since there’s no weird merge, they keep the right order. Why is that? Well that’s where it gets tricky, but let’s just say that, Iceland did get more points in both lists but with more countries voting for it in small numbers. In merging both lists, the small numbers mean smaller votes to either televote or jury’s favorite. On the other hand, Lithuania got less countries voting for it but with bigger points that remained bigger when the merge happened and so they doubled Iceland in the old 2009-2012 system. So obviously, it’s clear the new system is better and fairer and we don’t get weird results like in 2011, especially in years where jury and televote not only disagree but also spread around a lot.
Now I hear you ask, but what would have changed in 2016 if we had used the old system? Well thanks to our regular reader Randomvan, we have those results:
|2009-2012 System||2016 System|
|10||Czech Republic||41||Czech Republic|
These results speak for themselves, you can tell that SVT lied when they said it didn’t change a thing. It did, and it’s actually for the best. As for the 2013-2015 system, that one is very different with the full rankings, an entry like Poland that was almost universally hated by the juries and almost universally loved by televote would still do very poorly as the juries, in the merge ranking of each country, would prevent it from getting too much points. Israel and Malta drop, while Latvia gets a huge boost to 10th, where Netherlands is now in the Top 10 and France in the Top 5! But more importantly, the winner is now Australia! Germany and Czech Republic also swap places. Here is the comparison:
|2003-2015 System||2016 System|
Some More Stats
Now it’s always tiring and difficult to go through all the sheets made available to us. But it’s a good thing the EBU kept it fully transparent this time, whereas in 2013 we only got relative lists with %! The following year, DR published the full votings, jury by jury, and televote. ÖRF and SVT decided to keep it up. But we can’t all take the full time to dive into them. Many people do, and they share with us whatever they find and think is worth mentionning. So we’ll share here what our regular reader Paschalis found for us: Serbia got 80 points from televoting (Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, FYROM, Montenegro and Switzerland gave them 12, while Austria and Italy gave them 4 points); Croatia got 33 points, all from ex-yugoslavian countries; Malta was only voted by Armenia, Azerbaijan and Australia; Germany got points only from Austria and Switzerland; Russia was voted by all countries; only one country didn’t vote for Ukraine and that was Iceland; UK was voted by Malta, Ireland and Australia.